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Varner's (Jake Varner) . Selfish intentions if I do

say so myself. Why is this such a recurring trend?

marriott/hyatt

In reply to marriott/hyatt's left field attack .. its none of your business , why i held my son back , keep your ass.u.mptions to yourself .. I would appreciate a more positive discussion when it comes to my son and family as our actions in the wrestling community have earned this much ... When making comments such as yours why not state your name , instead of a faceless screen name so the community knows who you really are !!

Rafa Perez
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You sound like a very defensive person who likely lives vicariously through his loved ones. Or has some kind of "napoleon complex".....

What exactly are "your" actions in the wrestling community?? I know of no significant contributions, donations,benefactions, or helping hands to California Wrestling. I could be wrong.

Me, like I said it wouldn't matter if you knew who I was or not. I'm just a hotel manager who only wrestled till my sophomore year of high school and attends local south bay wrestling tournaments and meets. I'm just a nobody not a huge contributor.

Again I apologize.

Hotel Manager,
Hotel Wrestling

I dont see anything wrong with holding a kid back. Especially when hes an 85 lb 8th grader. Maybe some parents want them to mature and not have to wrestle guys walking around 30 lbs heavier with mustaches and tatoos. Let this be up to parents. My comment was to let the section know that micah will represent the section well next yr. I know coach perez our kids train together, he has the rite to do what he wants with his kids. I deleted the post because of people like Marriot who spout off.

Perez is correct, there are too many clowns on this site who hide behind screen names that would never say these comments if they had to own up to them.

This next yr you will just be talking about what a stud Micah Perez is. Don't be surprised if a couple other 8th graders dont attend high school this coming fall. Its a family decision.

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treat people the way you want to be treated!!!!

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rafa perez
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Of course, I am in no way trying to recruit. :)

Sports aside, how many of you would have been better prepared for highschool/college with one extra year of maturity? I say many of us.

How many stories have we all heard about the freshman that bombs out because of maturity? So who cares what age?

If the one year makes that much of a difference on the mat then the focus is on the winning instead of the skills because once you enter college it all evens out. Only my opinion of course.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I were a kid again (don't we all wish we could), I would have been bummed out if all my friends moved on and I was held back. But I wasn't an awesome wrestler either.

Tough decision though

PS: Like my screen name??

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I'd call it "insecurities" on the parents part. It's

the fear that the child will not live up to or match

whatever achievments they had as a kid wrestler once

they reach H.S.

Solution: "RED SHIRT EIGHT-GRADER"....morgan,varner....Bakersfield..hmmm this is spreading just like I said.

Should guys 12 years old really be required to wrestle 14 or 15 year old kids? Good God, most 12 year olds don't have pubic hair, much less the physical development of "redshirt" freshmen. Isn't this a bit of cheating? I mean when Jake Varner held his kids back a couple of grades to them an atvantage in athletics, thereby working the system, wasn't he aware of what he was doing, and by doing so wasn't he in fact cheating?

So, should we be sending kids to a middle school tournament who are more physically developed because they are chronolgically older than their peers in in 6th, 7th, and 8th grade?

This kind of "working the system" really upsets me. It smacks of taking advantage in a sport that prides itself on fair, democratic, skill, work, and dedication.

I'll give you this...Its obnoxious watching a parent live their life once again through their child, but our country has bigger problems than parents being over-involved. So when a good wrestler gets held back do you automatically assume- the parent is trying to work the system. Its never about grades, maturity and behavior. We don't have to analyze every parent's intent (its none of our business) and its their fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their child.

Whats fair about this sport- are weight classes and now (to the limited extent it is followed: the fat and hyrdation test). Do we get upset when the JR. or SR. 103 pounder wrestles 103 pound freshman?

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I can understand your frustration and it is well founded. However, discussing it in such a personal way is demeaning to others and to yourself. Marc and Don are correct, it is the parents' decision. Some make it for whatever reason. Why should we question their intent. The people that have been around wrestling for many years will tell you that two things are common in wrestling throughout the country. One, weight cutting and two, holding a wrestler back one year. Much depends on what one wants out of wrestling. Look at Perris Graham, St Edwards, Apple Valley, Blair Academy, etc. and you will find they subscribe to the two elements mentioned above. In CA we have had many that cut and are held back, and those practices will continue. To identify those wrestlers in this forum does not serve a useful purpose. The standard may be raised because of this issue but its here to stay. Those that wrestle within a reasonable weight cutting approach and are in their legitimate grade must strive to become better wrestlers, that's all.

That goes for kids who flunk out because they're lazy. If the kid needs an extra year because he's a little slower at picking things up, great, let him stay as long as he needs. But a kid who just doesn't try, bill his parents for the extra year, don't make me pay.

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